Former Olympic Hopeful Fighting for Trans Athletes | Identify


(IN 2016, THE INTERNATIONAL
OLYMPIC COMMITTEE RULED THAT (TRANSGENDER ATHLETES
COULD COMPETE (WITHOUT UNDERGOING SURGERY. (THIS POLICY MADE HISTORY IN
THE SPORTS WORLD, WELCOMING (A NEW GENERATION OF ATHLETES
INTO THE OLYMPIC FAMILY. (PAT MANUEL, A HIGHLY DECORATED
AMATEUR BOXER, (MISSED THIS RULING
BY FOUR YEARS. (THIS IS HIS STORY.) In a boxing match, it’s like everything
is right with my world. When I have my gloves on,
I feel connected to… to my ancestors. When I hear boxing, I hear
the rhythm of the people… ..and when I smell boxing,
that’s my favourite scent, smelling the gym
and the hard work… ..smelling the old leather –
that’s always a scent that brings nostalgia and excitement for the future
for me. When I see boxing itself,
I really see myself reflected. (IDENTIFY) I knew it before I knew words
that I wasn’t… I wasn’t a girl, and for a lot of trans people
I talk to it’s something they knew
as a kid. I grew up in Gardena,
California. It’s a small city in south LA. It’s near, like, Compton,
Carson, Torrance area. I mean, it’s hard to say, like,
what’s a typical childhood. I grew up with my mom,
my grandma, my older sister, and two of my uncles. I think we get used
to what normal is. You get into school and people start reinforcing
what is a boy and a girl, that it really felt like
I was somewhere in between all of that. “Why do you keep labelling
me as a girl?” Eventually, over time,
that gets beaten into you, so you finally submit to it, and you’re like,
“OK, I am a girl.” When puberty started hitting,
suddenly my body was doing all the things that I didn’t feel comfortable
with at all. Periods – I don’t want any
part of that. Like, I remember crying when
I first got my period. It was like a mark of, like,
whether you want it or not, you’re being labelled a woman
for the rest of your life. I definitely kind of withdrew
within myself when I was in high school. I think there was this sensing, the sensing that I was
masculine, I was different. My friend group got a lot
smaller, and I really kind of pulled
away from everyone, would just stop caring
about everything. So I tried to do the only thing
I could to kind of pull myself
together, and it was actually during
this period that I found the sport. The right first? You’re going
to go throw the right first? I’m going to throw
the right first. Step. Hands up high. It’s an individual sport, but
actually it’s a team sport also because all the kids
push each other. A lot of them were in trouble, but the discipline is
the number one thing. It’s changed a lot of these
kids’ lives. (COACH VIC) I’d seen Pat box
in a tournament I’m going to say about
ten years ago or so at Lincoln Heights. I’d just started training
female fighters, so I was kind of looking
at the females, and I’d seen Pat fight.
Pat had a lot of raw talent. Two more on top. Pat’s a very aggressive
fighter. Great condition, and doesn’t
fight like a girl. Pat’s stronger, more physical, learned how to punch
a lot harder and just is aggressive. Boxes like a man. Is now a man. I knew that I had to make
my body look like a fighter’s, and the only way I knew how to
do that was to actually start fighting. It was first time
in a long time that I felt comfortable
being me, because I was learning how to
move my body and be present in a way
that I never had, and was able to do something
that made me feel good. It was really actually
the confidence from boxing that made me start exploring
my queer identity. Honestly, probably more than
half of the boxers don’t even know that
Pat was a female. (COLORADO SPRINGS, COLORADO) My name is Lynette Smith. I’m the Assistant Executive
Director of USA Boxing. I work with athletes,
coaches, officials to promote Olympic boxing
across the country. (PAT MANUEL VS TIARA BROWN, (2008 USA NATIONAL BOXING –
WOMEN’S 132LB) Get low, Patricia. Oh, sure I’m happy
to talk about Patricia Manuel as a boxer. Excellent boxer.
She was formidable… I think would be the word. I mean, absolutely Olympic
trials-quality athlete. The Olympic dream… The Olympic dream, I guess, was attached to
me being a female athlete. Back in 2010, the IOC announced that they
would include women’s boxing in the Olympics. So we were like,
“Let’s make history, “let’s go to the Olympics.” That was the thing that kept me
back from transitioning for a long time – was my fear
of losing eligibility to compete.
I wanted to go to the Olympics. I wanted to represent. I wanted to represent as
an out queer athlete It really took, though, losing the 2012
Olympic boxing trials for me to really grab
on that I was trans. In sport, there are obviously
serious ramifications with regard to
gender classification, and, with us, weight class
and so forth, but my first real interactions
with Pat were when he had
questions about changing his designation as an
athlete from female to male. Lynette helped me switch
everything over and kind of actually created
a policy for USA Boxing. I don’t think they ever dealt
with a trans athlete who had been established as
a female athlete and was transitioning over to
the male division. I needed to be true to myself. This whole, like, female stuff
is bullshit. I don’t believe in it. There’s life outside of sports. There’s life outside of just
boxing, so I decided, “Let’s do it. “Let’s go full in and actually
medically transition “rather than just socially
transitioning.” So I took those questions to
the USOC. They helped me with that, and they actually take their
direction from the International Olympic
Committee, the IOC. So we worked together and got all of that information
together, and then I passed it back
to Pat. And then the next step
was like, what did I want to do about
that? Did I want to still compete
in the female division as a trans man? Or did I want to go for
competing in the male division, which is something in boxing
I never knew anyone had done? For Pat to change from
female designation to male, you had to be recognised in
your state by a government agency of your new designation,
your new gender. We had to get reports. You had
to have medical clearance with regard to
if surgery was performed, to levels of different hormones
in your body, and he sought information
from me so that we could take care
of it and he could actually
participate as a new gender in USA Boxing. It’s like, “BLEEP it.
I’ve done a lot in life. “I’m going to start
the hormones “and I’m just going to go
for it “I’m going to see what
happens.” (AFTER DECIDING TO MEDICALLY
TRANSITION, (PAT TOOK TWO YEARS OFF
TO UNDERGO HORMONE THERAPY (IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH
USA BOXING REGULATION. (IN 2016, PAT IS OFFICIALLY
ABLE TO COMPETE (IN THE MALE DIVISION.) (PAT’S HOME,
LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA) Currently I’m just training to kind of get back in
the swing of things, get back to doing a couple
more amateur fights. My coach, Vic, is the one that
makes the decision if I turn pro or not. I’m hoping to sway him
with really good performances in my amateur bouts. I know he’ll tell me
I’m ready when he knows that I’m actually ready. Today is my boxing club, Duarte Boxing,
annual boxing show. If I get a fight today, this would be my second time
fighting in the male division, but I’ve also had over 50 sanctioned amateur
bouts previously, so this isn’t my first rodeo,
that’s for sure. Definitely had some
issues before that hints at
there may have been people not wanting to engage with me
in a match because of transphobia,
but, you know, it’s never fully verified. It’s just suddenly someone
lost interest in competing against me. So, you know,
we just take it… we take it one fight at a time and just try to just keep
trying until we get…
we get the match done. I think a couple of times that
we’ve had some bouts fall out is because they found out. Honestly, I think that… ..they were just afraid
that they were going to lose, and… to a former female fighter. And we go to these shows
not saying anything. We just… put Pat up as a male fighter,
and that’s it on the board. (PAT’S OPPONENT WAS A NO-SHOW. (THERE WAS NO REASON GIVEN
FOR HIS ABSENCE.) It shouldn’t matter
what I identify as, if I’m transgender
or cisgender. If I’m in the male division, I am open for you to compete,
and that should be it. (BOYLE HEIGHTS, CA) How long of a walk
do you want to do? Probably like 15. We did 30 last time so… OK, so we don’t have to
be there until, like, 11. Well, I’m going to get ready. Amita is my girlfriend
of a year and a half. She’s been definitely one of
my biggest supporters, not just in boxing, but in kind
of every aspect of my life. I actually met Pat
at a community mixer for LGBTQ people of colour
here in Los Angeles. I was trying to expand
my own network, and we were in a small
discussion group together, and I was just like realising that I was starting to have
feelings for him. It was very unexpected. Are you sure
you don’t want some? No, I’m good, thanks. It’s actually been a lot
trickier than I expected, being able to date
post-medically transitioning, but, luckily, I have a queer
girlfriend, so I don’t have to
worry about that as much. I guess I don’t think of it
as significantly different than dating anyone else, because everyone
is a different person, so it’s hard for me
to think about some experience or something of dating a transgender man
as opposed to anyone else that I’ve dated. Ginko, come, come. She is not having it today. As I’ve grown up, and when I also was presenting
gender nonconforming, there were instances
in Long Beach where I was mistaken as a
feminine man and attempted to be gay-bashed. Fortunately for myself,
I could fight, so anyone that made that
mistake ended up finding themselves laid out. Sit. Good girl. Because he passes nowadays more
and more as a cisgender man and is seen as someone
who can fight, even if people don’t know that
he’s a boxer, just how he moves through
the world and through spaces, what I’ve noticed most of all
is that the level of harassment from cisgender men
has significantly decreased when I’m standing next to Pat. Come, Ginko. What’s he doing? Honestly, I’ll say right now,
I’m not satisfied until all of my other comrades are
also like, “Yup, that’s good, we’re good.
We feel represented. “We feel that it’s actually
equal and fair for us.” You look at the demographics
of boxing – it’s people who are struggling
in one way or the other. You come into the sport usually
because something’s going on that’s driving you to want
to fight. Boxing represents me
in so many ways that nothing else
ever have I ever seen does. If someone could sum me up
with one word, it would be a fighter. (DUARTE BOXING GYM) You’ve got five pounds
to lose by Friday. That’s easy. So since we didn’t get
the fight Saturday, what’s going to be next
on the agenda? We’re going to try and get a
fight this Friday in Pasadena. I talked to Fausto,
who’s putting on the show, and he’s going to try to
see about getting you a match, so there’s a good chance we’re
going to get a fight. – OK.
– Hopefully we get a fight, and we start getting ready for
our next big tournament. I’m hoping we just stay busy
the rest of this year, and then keep moving forward
to the next step on in 2017. Hopefully next year we turn
professional. That’s what I wanted to hear. Gosh, it gives me chills just
to talk about it now, but for Pat to think or to
feel that I had a role in his being able to continue
boxing, it makes me so joyful. He’s a great guy, and that’s what I’ve told Pat
from the beginning. “You’re just one of the guys. “You belong up there.” I know boxing
is Pat’s first love. It’s just my role as someone
who loves him to support him, and to help him in whatever way
I can to achieve his dreams. My name is Patricio Manuel. And I’m just getting started.

86 thoughts on “Former Olympic Hopeful Fighting for Trans Athletes | Identify

  1. cross genders in combat sports shouldn't be allowed. it's biologically not fair and can be extremely dangerous for the person or their opponents

  2. It's not natural talent when doctors are pumping enormous amounts of testosterone into your body. Let's have the male athletes receive extra T as well, and create a new division of super human boxers. I thought the Olympics was a beacon of natural competition. Guess I was wrong.

  3. That's a girl though. Taking hormones in amateur boxing and olympics is not fair it's like taking in steroids please don't do this olympics commissioner.

  4. People on here talking like as if they have a PhD in human physiology and an understanding of medicine in hormonal treatment, get out of here and get an education.

  5. A girl wanting to compete with the men? I don't see the gripe. Men transitioning into a girl, and competing? Nope. That's ethically wrong

  6. All right hormones are allowed? How about we let steroids be entirely legal, let's see how fair that would be.

  7. Pat isn't taking enough Testosterone to give him an unfair advantage over men who are not in his particular situation, the change is only dramatic because the female is accustomed to estrogen. If Pat had been born a boy but had a health issue rendering his testicles unable to produce testosterone, folks wouldn't be up in arms about him being on testosterone supplements.

  8. Yeah sure. Have cross gender in sports. Just don't complain when a women gets killed by a transexual women.Simple.

  9. You can read more about the IOC Guidelines, which were defined by medical specialists taking all the scientific evidence available into consideration, including stipulating testosterone level limits here: https://stillmed.olympic.org/Documents/Commissions_PDFfiles/Medical_commission/2015-11_ioc_consensus_meeting_on_sex_reassignment_and_hyperandrogenism-en.pdf

  10. So lets see who wins, a man or a woman on steroids. Honestly, my money is on men still winning but anything can happen in boxing.

  11. I think I know why he's a trans man. I feel and see his experience that maybe it's his muscles. whatever he's gaining in the body is probably developing his experience by force and strike. That the truth on how women is made is like feeling and seeing like there's some fat on or in the body. So because he grew a lot stronger, he now became man its like changer you body by muscles.

  12. Pat won't get past the trials among the real men anyway. Testosterone or not. Some Cuban American kid will out class it.

  13. Besides being unfair, doesn't this create really awkward situations? Like seeing some man putting hands on a transgender n or a woman getting punched by a male who had hormone therapy? It's not pretty.

  14. Why is it transphobia? Maybe it’s the fact that they don’t want to maim or kill the first transgender male boxer. Anyone ever think of that? Ever think of anyone else’s feelings other than the transgender?

  15. trans ppl aren't given an advantage in sport their just given the amount of testerone they would receive if they were a boy like all the other boys in the division for the boys in pats case

  16. How is it that this woman can pump hormones and testosterone (banned substances in boxing) into her body and still be allowed to box?

  17. She jacked up on hormone treatment and wants to fight lol. Drop the hormone treatment she will get knocked out in round 1.

  18. The way I see it the testosterone doesn't give him an advantage because he used to be a woman.
    It's basically the opposite of trans-female athletes competing, sure they have reduced testosterone but they still have most of the advantages that come with going through puberty as a male.

  19. Being labeled a woman?? No no, its not a label like some social trend, its male female science like it always has been. I hope this guy gets the help he needs

  20. Also to all of you talking about "haters" remember that truth and hate are not the same just because you want an excuse for this to be ok….

  21. Trans men don’t have an advantage against cismen. They actually have lest testrone than non-trans males.

  22. I've been in boxing and mma for a long time………you are definitely a fighter!!! I wish you luck.

  23. hahaha, wow. people never cease to amaze me with their stupidity. What kind of man are you if youre butthurt about a person who was born female fighting with males? Is your manhood seriously that sensitive and weak that you would disrespect someone whos actually WORKING for it? "how is that fair?" are you kidding me? go lift some weights and stop crying.

  24. Taking roids to be become a man or maintain avg male levels of Testosterone IS an advantage.. You're artificially maintaining T levels, so you experience no drop or natural fluctuation. Just like guys with a Low T doctors note are "allowed" to take Testosterone and all the sudden put up better numbers than in their prime. That being said……..I doubt FTM trans athletes can actually dominate even when roided up

  25. The Olympic committee was pretty smart just allowing the female-to-males to compete. Obviously completely hypocritical and immoral, but smart. They'll never win a thing, purely symbolic gesture, and it seems to be satisfying the liberal psycopaths.

  26. Pat, sweety, you're being used.
    I personally don't care if you get your skull crushed by some dude. If that is the life you choose, then go for it.
    But if the pursuit of your personal coo-coo fantasy opens up the floodgate for males to compete with women then I have a problem with that.

  27. There should be mens, womens and trans categories for sports.
    Trans should compete against trans only.
    That's how to have equally.

  28. Pat almost got knocked out by a winless journeyman in her professional debut. (She got a gift decision in a bout that should have been scored a draw.) She would be destroyed by any world-class male super-featherweight. Why…? 'Cause she's a biological woman competing against biological dudes…

  29. This thing only one one fight as a man and it was against a scrub with an 0-6 record and even then almost got KOed only won by points and there was no power in her punches just love taps that whole fight seemed like a giant set up for these trans freaks to have a victory

  30. Has he had any success in fighting men? This is the first time I've seen a female-male athlete. I wish the drugs weren't necessary. It's left him with considerable facial scars. I think this might be a dead end for the story, but I'll still follow it.

  31. Men Women and Trans should all be separate. Men fighting Women is sicka me to underestimate years of Testosterone is foolish to say the least.

  32. Feminist be like "there is no excuse for hitting a woman!" then turn around "why won't you beat up this trans man!? Transphobe!" Sorry guys you can't win for losing.

  33. So she proudly claims that he has and will assault random folks who think she's weird for being trans?

  34. He's still weaker than biological men, why are people saying this is unfair??? 😂😂😂😂
    Testosterone isn't the only difference between genders

  35. I do not believe in trans athletes competing in opposite gender sports but she seems like a great person. Glad she's happy.

  36. I think this is GREAT! I think "Trans-Women" should enter every single women's athletic competition in the country. From High School track and field to Women's Professional Boxing and Women's Soccer and Women's power lifting. Have at it Trans-Women, you should be allowed to compete as a woman in every way. Good way to bring more media attention to your cause also. And don't forget, you would be shoe-in's for College scholarships!

  37. This guy is really cool but if I hear him calling people transphobes and racists even one time, he won't be cool anymore. Remember, It's taken you years to decide to change so don't expect those around you, opponents, or whomever to just change right away. You have to be a little tolerance too!

  38. Bouts fall out all the time in amateur boxing. People get cold feet and don’t show up. The trainer even said they didn’t tell anyone Pat was trans, but Pat and the trainer cry transphobia because the other guy pulled out??? Listen, I know Pat wants to compete, but this isn’t going to end well.

  39. congrats on the steroid usage. You can tell Pat is just like any other man by the fact that he can openly take a banned substance and be allowed to compete. Wait, no, the opposite

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