5 Things Missing In MMA • Martial Arts Journey


5 Things Missing In MMA for Self Defense MMA is probably one of the greatest and toughest
sports of this day. While many sports have to encompass one particular
set of skills, MMA fighters have to encompass a wide range of different skills, such as
striking, kicking and grappling. For this wide spectrum of skills, and intensity
of the fights, MMA fighters are often considered as some of the toughest competitors of all
sports. Yet while they are amazing at their set of
skills, and the ability to fight in a consensual duel, sometimes MMA practitioner believe,
that it covers the whole range of skills necessary for a self defense situation. Personally, I think that MMA fighters will
have a huge advantage in self defense, over an untrained attacker, yet it is still highly
important to recognize both the strengths and shortcomings of any practice. For this reason, in this Martial Arts Journey
video we will take a look at 5 things missing in MMA for self defense. Number 1: Dealing with Weapons While an MMA fighter is very adept in dealing
against a bare handed opponent, the use of weapons – both striking weapons and also guns,
changes the situation dramatically. While an MMA fight will normally never lead
to the use of weapons, thus most training do not include teaching the skills to deal
with them, a self defense situation has no limitations in this realm. Dealing with a weapon may include additional
skills such as keeping extra distance and using objects in between, finding an improvised
weapon, blocking the hand which holds the weapon and more. These are not just trained physical skills,
but also specific knowledge which needs to be addressed, and does not come as general
knowledge. While dealing with weapons is not taught in
most MMA gyms, if an MMA fighter ever gets into a situation where he has to deal with
one, without special preparation, it may lead to disaster. Number 2: Dealing with Multiple Attackers Because of the rules, an MMA fight always
happens between two fighters. This, of course, is not the case in many self
defense situations. Fighting against more than one person, same
way as including weapons, adds a very whole new dimension to the situation. If a fighter is used to train, and fight with
just one person, he may spend too much time focusing on one attacker, while others are
attacking from different directions, which makes it almost impossible to defend from. Also, going to the ground is not an option
in such a situation, and if not considered before, may very well happen as a habit of
an experienced MMA fighter. Additional skills are also required such as
using objects, or even an attacker, to prevent others from attacking at the same time, and
these skills need to be trained upon themselves. If the situation of multiple attackers is
unaddressed and specifically untrained, it may cause very much danger even to the best
fighter. Number 3: Dealing with an ambush While MMA is the king of dealing with a consensual
fight, most self defense situations will not include a consent between both participants,
and will start with an ambush, which adds a different dimension. While the mastered reaction time of an MMA
fighter may definitely help in such a situation, it is usually trained against specific attacks,
from a prepared fighting stance, against a visible and known opponent. Having a random attack coming from any direction,
when the defending person is in no means in a fighting stance, may require a more primal
response which at best circumstances, needs to be also given time to be trained. Such a situation may also require additional
skills such as using hands as a fence, if the potential attacker is visible, maintaining
distance from potential danger, and observative skills which lead to the next point. Number 3: Prevention skills Many people confuse a consensual fight with
self defense. The goal of a consensual fight is most often
to prove your superiority against an opponent, or in other words to win. While it’s still different from an MMA fight,
because of the lack of rules and high unpredictability, still this relates quite strongly to an MMA
fight, and for this reason the skills of an MMA fighters can translate to this situation
quite well. Nevertheless, taking it just for that may
be dangerous. Normally a consensual fight is not considered
a self defense situation. A true self defense situation normally consists
of a willing attacker or attackers who are threatening a non-willing individual, and
often attack without any notice. In a self defense situation, the goal is not
to win, but to survive and that can be done in various ways, and the best skill of them
all here is: prevention skills. Becoming used to observe the surroundings,
choosing a safer route, maintaining distance, using verbal de-escalation and the most simple
– running away, are crucial skills to decreasing the need to defend physically. Actually, that is what mostly self-defense
is about. If not addressed by an MMA fighter, the mentality
of the need to beat up and win against a possible threat – instead of avoiding and potentially
running away, may come in, and lead to disaster. Also, the lack of developed observation skills
may also increase the possibility of danger. Thus these skills and knowledge must be addressed
to enhance the individual’s ability to stay safe, and it leads to the last point. Number 5: Addressing the gap between sports
and self defense While the ability of an MMA fighter to defend,
may be much higher than of an untrained person, some MMA practitioners strongly believe that
MMA is complete upon itself as a self defense tool. The gap for an MMA fighter to bridge in order
to translate their skills, and become much more efficient in self defense, may be quite
narrow, yet as already discussed, it needs to be addressed by the gym, coach or the practitioner
itself, in order for that gap to close. If it is not addressed, this contrary false
belief, may lead to overconfidence, the wrong choice in a specific situation and again:
disastrous outcome. Considering this short bit of information,
it becomes clear, that this is not a big problem to solve, yet it does need addressing. And as long as we stay true to both our superiorities
and shortcomings, and we do not try to fit one size to all feet, we should be fine and
safe with our training, both as fighters, and as people who simply stay safe. What do you think about these five points? Did you also experience some MMA practitioners
confusing self defense with sport? Let me know in the comments. If you liked the video and you want to share
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100 thoughts on “5 Things Missing In MMA • Martial Arts Journey

  1. In your experience, do many MMA practitioners see MMA as a complete form of self defense or do you believe that it is a myth upon itself? Let me know, I'm curious to hear about your experience.

  2. I recently started Muay Thai, and I'm amazed at how much time is spent learning to counter other Muay Thai techniques. It's even more true in BJJ- how many thugs use triangle chokes? If a criminal is unlikely to know a technique, training time for purely self defense may be better spent training other things.

  3. I think mma should be half the training of self defense… The other half shouls be what is usually taught as self defense… Plus parkour… Because avoiding is great, if you can stop the attack without fighting great, if you cant but you can outrun him, better, but if all else fails… You should be able to fight him… And since its the "worst case scenario" you better be good at it…

  4. Mma fighters have a better chance because they train hard and know how to be implicitly violent when necessary. Most MMA fighters are street wise unlike most "martial artists" who train in la la land.

  5. This bullshit again. I thought you said you've learned the error of your ways but you make this video parroting the same nonsense traditional martial artists have been saying for decades now. Love it when someone who's never been in a street fight says your style of fighting sucks at it.

    Traditional Martial Artist: You don't train weapons or multiple attackers.

    MMA Fighter: Have you ever even been in a fight?

    Traditional Martial Artist: Hundreds no thousands, Sometimes it was 20 on 1 and they all had guns. One time a master ninja even tried to get the drop on me but I used my Chi to sense him, I disarmed him of his sword and cut him in half.

    MMA Fighter: Why don't we spar then so you can show me your moves?

    Traditional Martial Artist: . . . No . . . My uh, my moves are just too deadly. I wouldn't want to hurt you.

    MMA Fighter: What ever.

    Traditional Martial Artist: (Oh thank God).

    I'm sorry but your critiques on fighting are invalid if you can't fight at all in the first place.

  6. Generally, a martial art should (in my opinion) be about self defense. Protection from everyday dangers, be it a nut guy, a blizzard or, the biggest danger of all, yourself. A martial artist practises the art of war in all fields of his life and protects himself, by having general awareness, evaluating threats etc. On top of that, martial arts also have to do with the cultivation of mind and body along with the balance of ones feelings. That is the main reason MMA would not be considered a "martial art" but most possibly a fighting sport or even fighting system (such as krav maga, even though i view mma more like a sport). Truly, one can get a very solid fighting foundation with MMA, especially against a single opponent, but true self defense unfortunately cannot be provided by it. Still, fighters enthusiastic enough could always search and practice by themselves techniques and tactics against multiple opponents 😛
    Great video, thanks for uploading it man

  7. Observation, de-escalation, and fight avoidance are probably the most important elements of self-defense. Those are almost never taught in MMA schools (at least, in my experience. I have encountered them in BJJ schools). Your last point is crucial – failing to teach that will lead to over-confidence in wrong situations, which, ironically, is EXACTLY the criticism that MMA & BJJ people have about TMA!

  8. I don't think those practicing the sport of MMA believe it to be a complete self defense system…it's only "experts" like you who like to twist the truth. I think most MMA people have a far greater grasp of reality than do martial arts practitioners…it's those taking martial arts that think they can deal with weapon attacks and multiple attackers, when most of them could barely deal with a single attacker. I suggest you stop trying to pass yourself off as a self defense expert.

  9. The missing points you describe are very tough ones for everybody and your analysis is too biased towards scenarios that would be very dangerous even for a Navy Seal. Its like claiming: you are good at maths but well.. You are going to have problems in expanding Einstein's knowledge!

    When dealing with weapons or multiple attackers the psychophysical assets and personality of who is under threat is as important (or even more important) than the fighting techniques learned in a dojo. I am not going to describe what I witnessed in the street but being a badass is definitely the most precious asset a person can have when facing life-threatening situations. Under pressure a badass will still be able to somewhat perform the majority of things he learned. On the other hand, normal people will have most of their fine motor skills annihilated, a frenetic heartbeat and a narrow field of view. Facing somebody willing to kill you with nothing but an empty stare in his eyes is a traumatic experience I hope not to face anymore.

    Last but not least, when you are attacked in the street, it is very likely that your attacker is bigger than you, armed or together to other attackers. In other words, the attacker has sized you and knows and judged you as weaker because you are smaller or because he is armed or together with a pack of wolves.

    If self-defense is a major issue for you, why not interviewing bouncers or policemen or anybody dealing with violent people on daily basis?

  10. Self difference will more likely be used in a bar situation where egos clash some one tries to belittle some one sexually harass some one etc .

  11. As a former MMA Coach I can tell you that you are looping in competition gyms vs MMA gyms for self defense which I used to work for. Prevention and de-escalation was the biggest thing we covered as well as I used to teach most fights begin with an ambush AKA sucker punch and usually teach being the guy to do a preemptive strike is usually he best you can do after being aware of what’s about to happen.

    However talking about “fight multiple opponents” is fantasy fighting. In general you are usually screwed. If you can’t fight one person you aren’t going to fight s group without a lot of luck on your side. While there are videos of people successfully defending themselves against more people… it’s honestly a rare case as the norm is usually not a good outcome. Most schools that offer “multiple opponents training” usually offer theories that have little guarantee at best which makes that kind of training problematic. I do believe is good to put on full gear and see what it’s like to 5+ guys come after you… but you usually find yourself humbled and not really anymore prepared.

    Weapons also has problems because it’s shown time and time again disarms just aren’t realistic. Great in theory but not real execution. The sewing machine motion of knife stabs is usually too fast to catch and when trying to fight a gun people are usually 5ft away… if you are close to a gun the muzzle flash has to the chance to burn your hand, the loud bang makes you go deaf and throws off your equilibrium to be able to defend yourself and during the struggle you have a high chance of being shot. Obviously in weapons if you have no choice do whatever you gotta do… but I’m just saying the training really doesn’t make you anymore secure when the odds of survival are much lower than if you surrender and just hand over your wallet usually.

  12. The most important skill is awareness. Most predators lose interest once their prey knows that they are there.
    Another skill is to surprise attack an opponent. Hit them first if you feel in immediate danger and get out of there.
    Also, I suggest having a small poking device. Have it in hand, if they get close, poke them and run.

  13. Ive only trained in two mma gyms, gracie bjj was taught in both and one taught striking self defense as well.Might just be a self defense mentality stemming from the gracie roots.

  14. There are five on five fights in mma. Fighting after getting taken down or while getting your bell rung is a perfect preparation for ambush. I have seen people stand against weapons out of too much trust in their hands. However it’s not clear someone with no training wouldn’t simply comply or someone wouldn’t be even more stupidly confident in their skills against say a knife. A lot of self defense relies on someone allowing a technique to be executed esp. small joint locks, eye pokes or throat strikes which require fine motor control to pull of which you may lose during a fight. I think your assume self defense training couldn’t give you the same overconfidence on the contrary it may be much worse, while sports like jujitsu can make you keenly aware how fragile a body can be and therefore give the fighter a sense of de escalation through respect for the opponent. Mma sparing does often use sticks as training tools and jujitsu teaches hand control which makes it functional against weapons in grappling range. I think I’d give MMA a little more credit. Any martial art could make you pick a fight when you should’ve backed down and most people try to talk themselves out of trouble unless they are too stupid to consider jail time a discouraging factor. Most people know how to placate and be submissive or feign it. If you watch active self protection you will see more often than not being agresssive can save your life as often as being agreeable as long as they don’t draw when a gunman is looking directly at them. Asp- A stands for attitude which can count for a lot when people are in life or death situations most weaponized situations it’s at someone else’s whim if you die so attacking them can make sense as compliance doesn’t equal survival.

  15. also awareness of surrounding environment ,mma is fought in an open area with a flat area with no obstacles like gutters,fire hydrants ,trees ,rubbish bins ,small objects like empty coke can ,glass on floor ,stools ,seats peoples legs,if in a nightclub or bar you can easily go for a slide on a bottletop,it happened to me once in a streetfight The opponent threw a punch and I stepped back off it straight into a gutter that was about six inches tall and went down very quickly ,got a hell of a shock,taught me that boxing footwork isnt always good for street environment

  16. you can not have all the tools if you dont have groin attacks or eye strikes ,biting also,headbutts,a lot of mma would change if groin kicks were allowed,its the fastest and easiest kick to do,mma stands too close often as they have no knowledge of groin kick distance,if I can do a low round kick to your leg then I can kick you in the groin as well and how many low round kicks do you see in mma,same goes for thai boxing ,also when pushed against the cage the first one to knee the other in the groin would win,on the ground if trained the first target from mount position is the eyes,easy target ,also if you do a two legged takedown ,your arms are around opponents legs and your eyes are an easy target for opponent.on your back with opponent in mount position you can punch him in the groin,not hard to do,these are some examples of openings that mma doesnt cover but you still have to get the shot which mighten come and they are tough ,very fit and good at what they do

  17. Four words: Southeast Asian Martial Arts (SAMA). If hybrid disciplines like MMA or Sambo are "the kings" for consensual confrontations, SAMA are "the kings" of self protection and street violence. Kali, Silat, Baraw Sugbo, Dumog, Pradal Serey, Panantukan etc. all this Southeast Martial Arts were created for warfare and they are in constant evolution until today. These disciplines specialize in combat and defense against knives, sticks, machetes (or any element that can be used in the same way, like a broken bottle) all from a realistic and effective perspective, always thinking strategies to avoid conflicts, be aware to the surroundings, eliminate the threat as soon as possible and then flee. Their angles, techniques and movements put in a good position for the defender to deal with multiple attackers creating a gap that allows him to escape from the situation.
    They even created Muay Thai and Muay Boran (we all know how efective this martial arts are) but they even have Lathwei (a MA that is like Muay Thai, but stronger and better: with headbutts, bare knuckles fight and without a point system: only win for KO).
    So if you want to be good in the aspects that are mentioned in this video, add SAMA to your MMA or whatever MA you train.

  18. They're also missing getting grenaded or fighting packs of dogs, or fighting your mom (didn't mean that to be rude, it's just a lil joke). Point is that until there's martial arts that empirically show that they have methods that consistently can train someone to handle these kinds of situations, trying to bring up the limitations of mma is pointless when these are just limitations of people in general.

  19. Eh, no such thing as "dealing with multiple attackers." No martial art deals with multiple attackers. Some martial arts will give you a false sense of security when fighting against a group, but there's no way of learning to fight lots of people. Same with the ambush point.

    At the end of the day other arts might talk about this but aren't effective. Learning MMA allows you to do better in any of your listed circumstances. These aren't the shortfalls of MMA for self defense purposes, you've just listed some of the worst situations you could have to defend yourself from.

    Also what are "observational skills"? You need to explain that specifically because that sounds like some woo woo bullshit.
    But ultimately, there is no gap between sport and street. The MMA guy can low-blow, too, he's not going to follow rules if he's on the street. Only his techniques are going to be more effective, and dirty.

  20. Most MMA people I have met are all about training in multiple martial arts. Specifically there are a lot of MMA people in the USA who also do FMA, which is all about street self defense situations with weapons, multiple attackers, etc.

  21. I’ve done a TMA about as long as you have and I think these are problem with any self defence/TMA/sports fighting/MMA.

  22. Let’s not forget also, very often MMA is taking multiple, different martial arts classes for years on end, which can include TMA; not taking a class where you do 10mins or grappling, 20mins striking etc. Furthermore you can do MMA but not compete and receive the benefit of doing complimenting martial arts.

  23. As a Youtube content, it is good to talk about this in general. But as Martial artists, WE/EVERYONE knows that MMA is a sport, it is also marketed as a sport. Do we tell people that throwing Javelin, 100m sprints, High Jumping, Swimming have xx things missing for self defense? No one does! Why do we judge a sport differently from another sport?
    I had a Krav Maga instructor who kept talking smack about Wrestling and Judo being deficient for self defense, but Judo and Wrestling is an Olympic sport, people train to fight in the Olympics, why even call out these sport for not having self defense training?

  24. We can put it quite simple, you are either prepared for war or you are not. In this perspective, even self defense is not enough.

  25. Know your surrounding's. You win 100% of the fight you don't get in… But in mma the gloves allow unrealistic punching abilities.

  26. I call verbal interaction the fifth range of combat. When engaging with an agressive individual or group, combat begins within listening range (unless guns are involved), in which case skill is settled by avoidance of a shorter range encounter.

  27. MMA is just taking what they are good with from different disciplines. An “mma” fighter might have FMA as part of his arts.

  28. God damnit, when did people turn the meaning of MMA from mixed martial arts to, "The sport of mixed martial arts."
    If you're a boxer that also trained in wrestling and use both, you're an MMA fighter.
    If you know a bit of BJJ to get you off the ground and practice Muay Thai, you're an MMA fighter. Since when did people apply a strict move/skillset to MMA and make it only competitive sports? It literally just means knowing and using more than one martial art.

  29. Mma is a sport not a selfdefence. But it gives you a decent base to defend yourself best selfdefence is deascelation or just sprinting away. And a lot of selfdefence i see certenly the ones post on Facebook with pressure point and such are even worse then a referee wistle (At least that will heart hes ears) also most selfdefence classes give you instructions on fighting multyple opponents but stil would be in a lot of trouble when it would accure in reality. Its just hard. And yes going to the ground isnt safe in a street fight certanly with multyple opponent but a lot of times streetfight end on the ground even if you didnt plan for it so its better that you have the knowledge and techniques to get out from under youre attacker. No sport is perfect but so are selfdefence classes and like i said in selfdefence classes there a lot of instructors who never where in a ambush or streetfight if you see the instructions they give. Like stabbing the eyes when their attacker has a rear naked choke on them. Thats a good way to end up at the hospital or worse. And there enough martial arts instructors who where bouncers so at least they have technique and real life experience

  30. I totally agree. MMA is a sport and like all sports, by their nature, it doesn't train you for situations outside the ring. I'm tired of going to self defence classes and having the instructor present some watered-down MMA grappling moves. If anyone tells you that sports or MA training will help you outside of playground fighting, there's a good chance they've never really been in a dangerous encounter.

  31. For example, a short while ago I was coming home with a pizza in both hands and one of my (teenage) neighbours (drunk or high on something) was trying to take the pizza and push me into the wall. Should I have dropped the pizza and choked him out or stamped his face into the ground? If I had I would now be looking at a prison sentence.

  32. Couldn’t agree more. The simple fact that MMA still has rules and regulations means its governed – not true martial arts! Even though we may train in a safe way in aikido, the bunkai never leaves us (or shouldn’t)… in any real martial environment, no rules whatsoever apply. This is Budo! Therefore, any sport martial arts is not martial arts really… do it’s all a moot point.

  33. All true, but it's simple for an MMA fighter to delelop the common sense or learn the the tecniques necessery to develop this skills, Instead learning to fight like an MMA fighter is a bit more complicated, or at least, that's my opinion.

  34. The list of rules in MMA can be considered a list of self-defense techniques missing in MMA. Most fighters think that MMA is a valid test of which fighter is most dangerous because the best fighter would also be the best if there were no rules. I agree.

  35. Is any martial artist really ready to face weapons? I mean, many people do make some repetitive movements against armed colaborative partners, but you know that's bullshit.
    In the end, all martial arts are guilty of the same problem. It's just impossible to be really practical and honest about armed fighting. You may consider yourself ready, but you're not.
    Now, a mindset. I've only seem it in Capoeira. Here in Brazil, there's the word "malandragem", wich basically means streetwise. If you train Capoeira in a favela, with no fancy people or stuff around, you will learn it. In fact, by that point, it you be natural to you, after all, you live in a favela, and there are few more dangerous places in the planet.
    In the end, it's just the old rule. Run if weapons are involved and you can't have one yourself. Or a straight punch to the chin if it is hand combat. No fanciness needed. If it's a home invasion, now you're in trouble.

  36. MMA you have one opponent that is the same size as you with rules,safety gear and no element of surprise. In the street most of the time a bully will be larger and or have friends with them, and or weapons plus the element of surprise.

  37. as an MMA practicioner who has also trained Krav Maga for 5 years, I'd say that MMA, despite it's short comings in terms of defence against weapons and such, still teaches one of the most important self-defence skills imo… and this is keeping your cool while being exposed to violence.

    No matter how good your technique is… if you're not used being exposed to violence, you most likely won't be able to make rational decisions if a self defense situation happens to occur (exceptions prove the rule, since some people have it "in their blood" so to say, but most don't).

    I generally think that for the optimal SD training, one should have experienced a Sport like MMA, MT or KB to a certain extend, so that you get a feel for what it means to "fight" somebody who isn't cooperative and who wants to beat you with all he has. On this basis you can build up a proper SD skill-set.

    imho –> practicing MMA eagerly, while refining SD-skills by simultanously attending a good Krav-Maga course is the way to go.

  38. Batman and Robin (Damian) when faced with multiple opponents:
    Batman:Time to fall back.
    Damian: I can take them!
    Batman: Don't be stupid! ( Drops smoke pellet and retreats)

  39. Weapons should be adressed in the same "enlightend" way as you adress unarmed combat now. With sparring and competition!
    All these sequences from selfdefense classes are useless. Get a soft training knife, machete etc, it should just be hard enough that a deadly blow will slightly hurt (knives are no lightsabers, not every touch is deadly) and then compete against each other.

  40. I think the best advices for self defense are 1: avoid the fight every time is possible 2: be the absolute chill guy 3: sprint really fast 4: carry some kind of legally available weapon 5: train a lot and under pressure if everything goes south

  41. I have no idea how you are training man, but you are certainly looking only as far as stuff like the UFC goes. During my Kempo based MMA training, all of the "missing elements" you are talking about have been adressed. While competing in the ring is whole different story, when it comes to the training itself, these things have been adressed regularly as part of the curriculum and the drills we did.

  42. I would say the best idea when dealing with an opponent with a weapon is to run away. I think one should never seek to use violence, ever. MMA is a sport, I don't see it as violence.

  43. I think people knowingly try to misrepresent the usefulness of MMA. To me it's very clear how MMA is or isn't useful.

    Take grappling for example. No, being a good grappler isn't useful in a self defense situation strictly because you can go to the ground and choke someone out (though in some cases that might also be very handy). Being a good grappler means that you can resist being taken down and if you happen to find yourself on the ground you know what to do in order to defend or get up. People without any grappling experience can be very helpless if they find themselves at the bottom of the pile.

    Same for striking. No, you don't have to be able to pull off a myriad of maneuvers, it's enough that you can throw basic strikes effectively (which is already a lot better than your average person) but more importantly you're accustomed to receiving strikes. The frequent sparring in MMA means that you won't panic as soon as you receive a fist to the nose. It can be a huge surprise to anyone who hasn't been on the receiving end to actually take a hit. Being comfortable in these situation is a huge thing.

    In addition to these two points you're likely in a fairly good shape which, again, gives an edge over loads of people.

    That's pretty much it. I don't see the controversy. An MMA practitioner is likely to handle unarmed self defense situations quite well compared to your average person. Is it better than system X? Dunno, would have to go case-by-case. I don't think there's even any need for comparisons, you can just consider what a given system offers and think how that relates to real life scenarios.

  44. Idk why westerner r so into grappling and forget about MARTIAL part of martial art. I mean some old school Chinese M.A will start teaching the weapon first and all those open guard or close guard are consider as loser last ditch option in a never ending war between state in China.
    And the sport grappler is just pushing an opposite idea of MARTIAL art over and over

  45. Most MMA gyms I have been too are fairly complete. Dealing with weapons… Don't … Dealing with multiple attackers…. Don't.. This is simple when your enemy is superior retreat. Sure your chances of taking on and winning against someone with a gun or knife or a group of people is greatly improved if you know how to fight the reality of the matter is you're most likely not going to come out without injury or even alive for that matter. This feeds into knowing yourself. If you want real self defense the answer is a gun and running away. It's not an ego boost … it's a good healthy serving of humble pie.

  46. Here's a great example of an MMA fighter making some of the mistakes mentioned:
    Banshee: Lucas Hood vs Damien Sanchez
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqRPaucl8r4
    Sanchez (the MMA fighter) is clearly the more skilled and refined fighter. However, Hood is willing to do anything to win.

  47. excellent video strongly agree with every single point you have raised, here are a few additions that I personally would have included, however this video covered the most important points already (fyi I am a very experienced martial artist and invented and taught my own self defense system):
    1- situational awareness, though you mentioned this briefly I would have dedicated a whole section just to this subject. As the highest level of self defense is to sense danger early and leave before a situation ever escalates to a conflict or fight.
    2- Fuck ego, most bar fights start off with people mouthing off and squaring up to each other, this particular and common situation requires both people to escalate to a fight and they both build into it. If you realise that and know not to be aggressive in the situation and not escalate or ever enter into the ego battle will often avoid conflict all together.
    3- Escape, I used to teach self defense classes and the first thing I would tell people is to look for an exit, the first exercise was from a standing start to practise turning on their heel and sprinting in the opposite direction. I would use that during the warm ups every class to emphasise the fact that in self defense the objective isn't to defeat an opponent, it is to get out with as little or preferably no damage.
    4- None aggressive guard, being ready for a situation without your opponent realising, how to do the step back into the hands up "i don't want trouble" guard without making it obvious, also drawing the line in the sand and preparing your first attack so the instant they do cross the line you can preempt, surprise and overwhelm with unexpected force if given no other choice.
    5- Ground work, ground work is important as you stated the most dangerous position is you on the ground with all your opponents mates jumping up and down on your head. So you do have to train ground work incase you are sucker punched or thrown or tripped, though you always try to avoid it, must be prepared for worst case scenario where you are taken to the ground, this is also a rape scenario for a female. But the big difference is that in self defense the objective of ground fighting is not to dominate a single opponent, there is even a good chance that no one has gone down with you and there is no one to fight on the ground anyway. The whole game plan with self defense ground work is to return to your feet as quickly and safely as possible, there are no locks or cuddle submissions in self defense, there is only the use of the most brutal techniques to remove anyone ontop of you preventing you getting to your feet then regaining your feet whilst covering up.
    6- Disengaging, your objective in self defense is to escape therefore if you are backed into a corner and forced to fight, you are not fighting to win a fight, you are fighting to create an opening to escape danger.
    7- Simplicity, people do not want to train for years before being able to protect themselves, they are not looking to master anything just need some basics so that they can apply correct theory to situations, no technique will work until it has been drilled 10,000 times, until that point it is not in muscle memory so is not a trained reaction. So use tools they have naturally and can simply be applied to a large number of different situations without having to perfect anything complicated. This is why I would teach elbows instead of punches, as the mechanics accuracy, speed, distance and timing of punching takes years to master and depending on what style you learn there are a lot of different ways to achieve those mechanics. Elbows are simple and effective and require far less training but can be applied very quickly. Self defense is not an ART and so the artistic elements of martial arts are irrelevant, the objective is to achieve results fast.
    8- Training mentality, you train under the conditions you would expect to use what you are learning in. MMA guys train 1 on 1, in their sports gear, with gloves, in the ring as those are the conditions they want to be comfortable in. Self defense those are not where you need to feel at home, so most drills should involve partner intimidation, aggression, pushing, swearing, shouting, and also must be used to people getting in their face, or they will not be able to apply what they are taught as the situation where they need to use their training will be too alien to them, this is similar to your 2 ambush points, but MMA for example would never train you to start a drill by being sucker punched while sat down, however that is a scenario that needs to be covered for self defense or an assailant approaching from behind.
    9- Mentality switch, with an MMA fight it is scheduled and you know when it is so can take time to get your brain in fight mode, 1 thing self defense must train is to instantly switch into fight mode in a split second and to be able to change your entire mentality and focus in an instant.
    10- Strength, MMA fight in weight and sex categories, unlike the street, MMA is entirely strength based and can only work against people of similar build but also require physical strength and fitness as well as to dominate an opponent through superior aggression. So an 80 year old 5' woman would not be able to apply anything from muay thai or bjj to defend themselves. and i have personally experienced many females especially gaining dangerous beginners confidence from muay thai or bjj and thinking they could defend themselves, which i was happy to reality check so that their false confidence didn't get them hurt. Steroids are not a self defense plan or strategy.

    As you can see most of these points are often not covered or considered in most "self defense" systems and I'm sure there is plenty that I myself am not aware of but I too find it very frustrating when people think that nothing is effective except muay thai mixed with BJJ when actually from a self defense perspective

  48. Today a have the opinion tha self-defense has very little to do with fighting skills…
    The vast majority of the untrained people i know have never been hurt in a street confrontation because they have never been in one.
    Martial arts give you the tools to win street fights that you wouldnt have entered if you didn't practice martial arts.

  49. Excellent advice. What I was thought in Ju Jitsu when I was young: if you can run away to save yourself, do so. Self defense isn't about winning a fight, it is about getting yourself out of a violent situation successfully.

    Not always possible, and if it isn't possible only then should you engage. And even then the idea isn't to crush your opponent(s), it is about getting you out of the situation.

  50. theirs not really practical self-defense for a gun, do as the person wishes and pray that they don't kill you then and their.

  51. The techniques that are illegal in MMA are the exact techniques needed in self defense. Your self defense system must also work when you are old, frail, and sick. It has to be simple. The idea of do this if they do that or having a technique for every occasion will not work. Good video.

  52. Before the battle of the fists..there is the battle of the minds. People are too high their egos to understand this concept sometimes. I currently work in an environment where the battle of the minds is a constant and losing this means not only you can get hurt, but a co worker can get hurt or die.

    Humility and empathy ( not sympathy ) are key. But sometimes you don't have a choice and that's still a battle of the mind: Your resolve in not losing or dying in a life or death situation.

  53. @Martial Arts Journey Those 'against weapons' skills you mentioned would both be easier for an MMA fighter (or any trained fighting athlete.) to perform than someone who isn't actually fighting with those skills and are more decision making rather than specific special 'skills' an MMA fighter would need to learn. MMA fighters already stop the arm, they already understand how to control, maintain or create distance. On the other hand traditional 'self defence' experts might not have any skills at all ready to make tiny adjustments to, might not understand distance at all let alone make intentional decisions about what's optimal, might not even be good on their feet.

    Unless these self-defence weapons experts are every bit as good and experienced at fighting as their MMA counterparts I fail to see how their 'targeted' training has prepared them any better.

    'fighting against multiple opponents' If you're not any good fighting a single opponent you're not going to be good fighting many. Unless these 'multiple opponent' experts are better than their MMA counterparts at defeating a single opponent they're going to be in far more trouble. If you're garbage at fighting one attacker will take you 'to the ground' at will whether you think it's an option or not, you'll want to be good at fighting by training something like MMA if you want a chance at staying off the ground.

    MMA fighters have a much better understanding of positioning and controlling a human opponent in combat physically and mentally than untrained people whether or not those people claim to be 'self defence experts'. An MMA fighter trying to block other 'attackers' with a single one might be slight change in mentality, for the self-defence expert it's a dozen of years of skills and experience as a foundation they never gained and need to learn as a foundation.

    If you can't defend against attacks thrown once you're ready it doesn't matter how much of an expert you claim to be at dealing with ambushes because you'll be even worse responding to random attacks. Good fighters might also be better at reading intention in people than their counterparts.

    MMA fighters are faster, fitter, more athletic, more agile, more balanced, stronger and more coordinated than their counterparts. They can run away, break away from, chase down or confine people much better than their untrained counterparts…yes even if they claim to be experts of self defence. Unless those experts are fighting and have their experience and understanding from fighting and valid analysis, they aren't experts.

    To my knowledge there are very few valid alternatives to MMA to 'complete' your self defence competency with, I'm not aware of experts in self-defence who are real experts in fighting. While MMA fighters might have a 'big gap' in their knowledge, who out there is actually ready to fill it?

  54. You can apply this logic to every single martial arts, seriously this video fails, most self defense classes are bs, its been proven time and time again its better to learn an actual disciple like wrestling or boxing vs self defense

  55. From a more specific/techniques oriented point of view, a few other things missing from MMA :

    – the use of a gi. In most parts of the world, people wear clothes you can grab, and this changes quite a bit the dynamic of a fight (many takedowns become available, chokes as well. It becomes harder to escape the clinch or to shoot a takedon from afar, so the clinch becomes more important. On the ground, it allows easier stalling/control, and makes it way harder to ground and pound inside someone's guard). People will argue that a gi is too grippy to be realistic, but no clothes grabs at all + sweaty skin + gloves and handwraps aren't either, so it would make sense to train in both situation as in a real life encounter, an opponent will always be harder to grab than in a gi and always easier than if he were "naked".

    – the "ippon" rule. Getting thrown/slammed on a mat is bad enough, but it is a fight ender on the pavement. Not every takedowns are made equal in regards to this, and a ruleset considering that would make for a more street-effective art

    – the obvious banned strikes : headbutts, groin strikes, eye pokes.

    – no "get up" rules. In old school MMA which was basically Vale Tudo, fighters were given time to work on the ground, so stalling the fight with no escape plan wasn't a valid strategy for the guy on the bottom. Additionnally, the ref wouldn't stop the action to allow a fighter to get up safely, so having a good technical stand up was an important skill.

    – no point system : fights ends if a fighter is unable to continue fighting. Now for this one, I don't think it's as important in itself, as controlling a fight is as important of a self defense skill as KOing your opponent. What I think is important about this is knowing better the purpose of each strike. If you watch Lethwei vs Muay thai fights (with Lethwei rules), usually the Muay thai fighter "scores" way more by controlling the fight with crisp looking teeps, but the Lethwei fighter doesn't care much about looking dominant for the judges or eating teeps, and often KO the Thai fighter with good old loaded rear hand punches. Teeps and jabs are control strikes, crosses and round kicks are damage strikes.

    Note that some of thoses things are legal in SAMBO or Vale Tudo.

  56. There alot of people would say if your not an expert keep your mouth shut but when you see something that is flawed about something you should by all means say something because it puts your opinion out there your claim can either be supported and refuted and nobody should shut down someones ideas just because there not experts.

  57. The thing with MMA is that is a sport who goal is to fight in a one on one consensual fight and thats what MMA fighters train for. and training for anything else is merely a distraction and they dont bother with that stuff.Thats preaty much the mentality of the sport.

  58. I've never met anyone who thought MMA was a complete system of self defence. It's just a better one than most the martial arts out there.

  59. Title of the video is misleading imho. This is a great video but it is about 5 things missing in MMA for self-defense situations. MMA is not a self-defense discipline, rather a 1-1 unarmed dueling system. When you simply say 5 things missing in MMA, I expect the video to be about banned yet viable techniques like headbutting, kicks and knees to the head on the ground, elbows and so on. Things that are missing in MMA in terms of what it is, an unarmed 1-1 dueling system.

    Btw I'd love to hear your thoughts on what I came here for, that is what MMA is missing in terms of a 1-1 unarmed combat system. MMA is the closest sport to a 1-1 unarmed fight on the street and I think that's one of the things that makes it real and appealing. Boxing or wrestling for instance have such habits and techniques in them that they are simply too codified and evolved in line with rules of non-grappling or non-striking which make pure boxing or wrestling styles very vulnerable in a real 1-1 fight. MMA encompasses both of them but only uses techniques viable if all the other things are allowed too.

    Except when they are not allowed. I'm not talking about things that would be acceptable in a life and death situation such as eye-gouging, fish-hooking or biting but due to the irreversibility or lethality of the injuries that would follow could never be accepted in competition. Stuff that are missing are elbows(UFC), kicks and knees to the head and headbutts imo. These were allowed at some point in the history or in some organizations but not anymore. Disallowing these taint the purity of the discipline imo because it affects the evolution of the discipline and importance of some techniques and tactics. Similarly in wrestling, since no submissions nor strikes are allowed giving your back is preferrable to something much less dangerous in a real fight and this makes pure wrestlers acquire wrong habits and tactics and makes wrestling develop in a certain arbitrary way. Not allowing knees to the head of a downed opponent likewise makes north-south position much less dangerous and not allowing headbutts makes you learn defending only against the hands of the opponent on the ground.

    Things like these are what's missing in MMA in terms of what it is imo and I'd love to hear your thoughts, cheers from Turkey.

  60. The biggest thing to know is a style is a tool, a person for example practices karate, does not represent the style, the represent themselves, styles don't make people effective people make styles effective, the biggest thing i hate although is some what true for a small part of people that all of people that study traditional martial arts just trains light and does not think about what they are learning that some is just for tradition and some of what they learn like kata is good for conditioning and when they learn a knife or whatever self defense that they believe it would work, i think most know that it is a guide and fighing is variable and changes on a dime, for me i don't believe in one style works, i have taking at least over 10 and what i do is if it is good for me and my skill set and size etc i keep it and if it is useless to me i disregard it, all styles have flaws ALL and this is coming from someone who has tried most, what i found is the person makes it effective your dedication your preparation, i don't care if you take MMA, BJJ or Muay Thai and you only go twice a week and DO NOT practice at home and DO NOT go running and weight train, you are going to suck and be ineffective, all the styles above i have taken plus karate tae know do american kickboxing kung fu aikido, Boxing, they all have something useful some more than others and they all have something that is just for tradition and is useless some more than others, ive seen really good black belts which are about 30% and 70% of black belts suck, because you can not expect to be good at ANYTHING if you just go to class once-twice a week and do not train at home, and it is always good to try lots of styles i hate when a person only takes traditinal martial arts and talks shit about non traditional martial arts i also hate it when a non traditional MA like MMA talk shit about traditional martial arts, LET THIS BE CLEAR, THERE IS NO superior FIGHTING STYLE BUT THERE ARE superior PEOPLE THAT MAKES THE FIGHTING STYLE WORK, styles are tools, some tools work for some people and not for others, and not everyone can be good at fighting just like football etc. also it is also good to keep an open mind and learning from every form of fighting. Also you can not understand a style just by going by what you see on tv or what you have read or hear or because you know a few people that take that style and they suck, again people DO NOT represent the style they take they represent themselves, if you want to fully understand a style and this goes for the people who shit on MMA, try it out for a minimum of 3 months at a good school, because there are allot of shit schools and then you will fully know/some what, because a mma school or a karate school does not represent there art they represent the instructor of the school and may i note there is allot of shit schools out there in EVERY style in the early 2000's TKD schools would pop up everywhere like MC Donalds and for the past 5 years MMA schools keep popping up like MCDonalds and when that happens 80% of the schools are shit and the othere 20% are good.

  61. Yep, I feel like you are assuming a lot about the beliefs of a practice you aren't too familiar with, well at least that's how it comes across. Multiple attackers, ambushes, and weapon disarms all rely on luck and good sense and awareness, you can't always be on. you are right though awareness and running is always the best defence in those situations or very good negotiation skills?! We used to play a game in our MMA gym which was a team pinning game, I guess you could call it a multiple attackers/ambush game but it was just a bit of fun to us. Once two on one let alone multiple attackers had you, you knew you were screwed straight away, so one of your team mates or more had to help you. It was a pretty good illustration that once multiple people get there hands on you it's a darn struggle! Rules were no striking and once you were pinned for 3 seconds you were out. So you could Scrabble out but again you kinda have to know how to Scrabble out, once a blue belt (BJJ) or above gets you the struggle is real. Hahaha. But I do like that with your TMA background you are exploring this journey, good going brother.

  62. About weapons – It's not only about how to fight against weapons, but also a bit how to fight with weapons. it self defense you should a it how to use a stick, a long stick, and even a knife or a gun (if you have to)

  63. RENZO GRACIE a UFC Champ recognized he was being followed and Took and Alternate route so that he could lore the attackers into an asswhooping which he did whoop both their asses and tweeted it about while doing it lmao about your point is absolutely correct you have to address the issue of self defense in mma training because they are not he same goals

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